What's wrong with Dancer add-ons on search.cpan.org?
Hi, some time ago I noticed that three modules of mine related to Dancer had a one-star rating when browsed from search.cpan.org. Curious about these bad rating, I tried to look at the reviews but I found none. I tried to write to both search.cpan.org and perl.org contacts with no answer (possibly due to the vacation-intensive period, but some autoresponder would have been appreciated). After 10 days the bad ratings are still there, so I was curious to see whether I was the only one impacted and I discovered that I'm not. Most Dancer extensions have one-star ratings and no review at all, even though there seem to be reviews according to the search page. E.g. see http://search.cpan.org/search?m=all&q=dancer&s=41 What do you think about it? What can we do? Cheers, Flavio.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Flavio Poletti <polettix@gmail.com> wrote:
After 10 days the bad ratings are still there, so I was curious to see whether I was the only one impacted and I discovered that I'm not. Most Dancer extensions have one-star ratings and no review at all, even though there seem to be reviews according to the search page. E.g. see http://search.cpan.org/search?m=all&q=dancer&s=41
I actually noticed this in several places, including your modules.
What do you think about it?
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but it seems to me like continued abuse from people who, still unbeknown to me, do not like Dancer so much that they try deface anything related to it.
What can we do?
You can try to open a ticket with https://github.com/perlorg/perlweb. This is where you can address this as a bug, and have it responded to relatively quick. Not having any review but still only 1 star, on every module that you wrote, seems very much like abuse, or at least a possible bug. Although the CPAN Ratings idea was excellent, it seems to be very open to abuse. Unfortunately we apparently have a serious abuser (or abusers) in the Perl community. I reckon Google's +1 is a much better idea. Even though I don't think anyone in this list will do such a thing, I still want to emphasize not to "retaliate" whoever you think might be doing this. Do not go around writing bad reviews for others as "payback". Stay honest, stay fabulous. :)
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:07 PM, sawyer x <xsawyerx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Flavio Poletti <polettix@gmail.com> wrote:
What can we do?
Even though I don't think anyone in this list will do such a thing, I still want to emphasize not to "retaliate" whoever you think might be doing this. Do not go around writing bad reviews for others as "payback". Stay honest, stay fabulous. :)
I don't remember doing such things in my pre-teen age... and I see no reason to start now :-D Cheers, Flavio.
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:07:46 +0300, sawyer x <xsawyerx@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you think about it?
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but it seems to me like continued abuse from people who, still unbeknown to me, do not like Dancer so much that they try deface anything related to it.
Considering the recent history with CPAN ratings and Dancer [1] [2], I think it's not paranoid to beleive that the whole Dancer ecosystem has been targeted on CPAN ratings by the same individual. 1: http://www.sukria.net/fr/archives/2011/07/22/cpan-ratings-fake-trolls-and-do... 2: http://blogs.perl.org/users/sawyer_x/2011/07/sinatra-loves-dancer.html By the way, even if this individual remains unknown (because always behaving under a false identity) I'm now pretty sure it's not a group, but a sole person (and have some clues about his/her location). Apparently he/she really hates Dancer and everyone/anything related to it. Maybe it's someone who got frustrated in the past, maybe there's absolutely no reason to explain his/her actions. We - the dancer core team - really don't understand how it is possible to hate with such harshness an open-source project, but, well, anyways...
What can we do?
You can try to open a ticket with https://github.com/perlorg/perlweb. This is where you can address this as a bug, and have it responded to relatively quick. Not having any review but still only 1 star, on every module that you wrote, seems very much like abuse, or at least a possible bug.
Indeed, this is the first thing to do.
Although the CPAN Ratings idea was excellent, it seems to be very open to abuse. Unfortunately we apparently have a serious abuser (or abusers) in the Perl community. I reckon Google's +1 is a much better idea.
Well, the +1 idea is not a rating, it's just a one-directional vote saying "I like it". Indeed you can't abuse it because it's a positive action only, but it's very fuzzy compared to a real rating system. Anyways. I think another peaceful and non agressive answer we can do - as a community - is to start filling ratings ourselves on as many Dancer module as we can (one rating per individual, we play with the rules). Honnest, non-angry ratings. At least for the modules where there is only one star. Creating an account is done in 2 minutes here: https://www.bitcard.org/register That could increase the average rating for all the affected modules, at least. Best Regards, Alexis.
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:00 AM, sukria <sukria@sukria.net> wrote:
We - the dancer core team - really don't understand how it is possible to hate with such harshness an open-source project, but, well, anyways...
You mean you never read Slashdot or reddit comments regarding Perl?
I think another peaceful and non agressive answer we can do - as a community - is to start filling ratings ourselves on as many Dancer module as we can (one rating per individual, we play with the rules). Honnest, non-angry ratings. At least for the modules where there is only one star.
Creating an account is done in 2 minutes here: https://www.bitcard.org/register
That could increase the average rating for all the affected modules, at least.
I think creating your own ratings will be a mistake. At least if the core developers comment. Regular users in this list are OK. IMHO you should just wait a few days, maybe a week and ask the CPANRatings admin who AFAIK is Ask who uses Dancer anyway to remove the obviously bogus reports. Silently. It's just like any other spam. BTW right now cpanratings.perl.org does not even respond to me. Gabor
On 08/01/2011 04:53 PM, Flavio Poletti wrote:
Hi,
some time ago I noticed that three modules of mine related to Dancer had a one-star rating when browsed from search.cpan.org <http://search.cpan.org>. Curious about these bad rating, I tried to look at the reviews but I found none. I tried to write to both search.cpan.org <http://search.cpan.org> and perl.org <http://perl.org> contacts with no answer (possibly due to the vacation-intensive period, but some autoresponder would have been appreciated).
After 10 days the bad ratings are still there, so I was curious to see whether I was the only one impacted and I discovered that I'm not. Most Dancer extensions have one-star ratings and no review at all, even though there seem to be reviews according to the search page. E.g. see http://search.cpan.org/search?m=all&q=dancer&s=41 <http://search.cpan.org/search?m=all&q=dancer&s=41>
What do you think about it? What can we do?
You'll be seeing fall-out from: http://blogs.perl.org/users/sawyer_x/2011/07/sinatra-loves-dancer.html But I'm not sure why the cpanratings values are still wrong when the bad reviews have been removed. Dave... -- Dave Cross :: dave@dave.org.uk http://dave.org.uk/ @davorg
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