<div dir="ltr">Well, I don't love php anymore, even if i have start with it, and do i hope good job on builder home made extranet,<div><br></div><div>We use php for our frontend, and it is a company decision, so now we got big product, it is hard to switch.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But I love building web site with Perl, and it is hard to apply it to a company. at least in my case. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/8 sawyer x <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xsawyerx@gmail.com" target="_blank">xsawyerx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I've seen a company with 2 web developers in Ruby doing a hell of a lot more than 40 developers in PHP in another team.<br>
<br></div>"Finding one" isn't in and of itself a quality or something to consider.<br>
</div>You're probably better off having someone who knows programming (Ruby/Perl/Python) move to web, rather than getting a PHP programmer.<br><br></div><br></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
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On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Celogeek San <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@celogeek.com" target="_blank">me@celogeek.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">Of course. But at least you can find some. It is not obvious to find a good web perl developer. I can see that in my company. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Le 7 sept. 2013 23:24, "sawyer x" <<a href="mailto:xsawyerx@gmail.com" target="_blank">xsawyerx@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Celogeek San <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@celogeek.com" target="_blank">me@celogeek.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Use other language for the frontend may have some advantage. The first I see, is that you can have more developer available in other language to maintain the frontend.<div><br></div><div>It's easier to find PHP Zend developer than Perl Web developer. Also true for python.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is a major problem with that approach. The reason it's easier to find a PHP developer is because the language is cheap. It's really easy to learn, and tons of people learn it to get a job. The PHP knowledge pool is very shallow though. That means almost PHP developers are very shitty developers that stopped learning because PHP doesn't really have a very proficient level to it.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">So companies that figure "hey, there are more PHP developers than Perl/Python/Ruby - I'll get programmers in those!" end up with really really horribly shitty code that it's impossible for them to actually get beyond of. I've worked at a lot of these companies. It's horrible. Really horrible.<br>
<br>Don't be duped by number of developers overall. Think about "available developers", "developer knowledge and expertise" and "ability to provide a good product". Who gives a shit if there are less developers if I can still find enough?<br>
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